CHICAGO — Who would have ever thought that in his post-presidency years, Barack Obama would take a hard turn to the right? But lately he’s earned praise from sharp-edged conservatives while getting the side-eye from progressives.

On this week's political podcast, Milfred and Hands play audio from and comment on the debate at UW-Madison between President Donald Trump booster Stephen Moore and never-Trumper Max Boot. Free speech on campus is "under assault but not in danger," according to Richard Avramenko, UW's director of the Center for the Study of Liberal Democracy. UW Chancellor Rebecca Blank phones into the podcast to defend free speech on campus.